Hope it makes sense, sorry for wall of text. Part of the design that was approved by Starfleet included a multi-mission module that could easily be exchanged within days at … Engineers building one ship cannot build another. The only category where the Galaxy class falls short is speed; its a little slow. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DaystromInstitute community. It's still probably capable of conducting scientific missions while equipped with the weapons pod, but it is no longer exceptional at that task. Its small size often lead to it being referred to as a \"pocket Star Destroyer\", muc… Is it a galaxy or is it a planetary nebula - posted in General Observing and Astronomy: A friend is working on an online astronomy course and asked me this question based on a part of the lesson: Is there a way to visually confirm a DSO is either a planetary nebula or a galaxy? Cookies help us deliver our Services. Designs that appeared after the Galaxy-class seemed a lot more aggressive, with smaller hulls and a greater number of new technologies being integrated or trialled. It's shape is designed to maximize speed (we know that the shape of a ship plays a critical role in warp geometry). No, its almost certainly the other way around. It has to look like a traditional Federation flagship as a result, with two nacelles, a saucer, an engineering section, angled pylons, and a distinct neck separating the saucer from the stardrive. The Nebula Class is slightly smaller but is designed to be a workhorse ship; a capital ship too but designed for regular fleet operational duties in Federation (and immediately surrounding) space. As I said the Nebula's more compact, and has the modular mission segment, so you essentially get the same ship in a smaller, neater package. There's still an opportunity cost. the same total volume, just located in a different configuration. The Galaxy from the front is less of a target with enough firepower to take advantage of it. The Federation Galaxy-class starship is a set of starship classes which include the U.S.S. You may not nominate your own content for PotW. There is always an opportunity cost. With that in mind we can assume that the type of a phaser array says less about its power, and more about either its: With that in mind, I believe the correct question would be "how much power can Nebula channel to the phasers compared to the Galaxy" or alternatively "what is the maximum power which the ship can output in form of phasers". Maybe something to do with going cold turkey on coffee. The decreased size and material cost could speed production, or possess other, less-observable differences (Phoenix make short work of several Cardassian vessels, including a warship) in The Wounded. The Nebula is more compact, a hit anywhere is almost a hit everywhere. The Nebula-class was developed along-side the Galaxy-class in the 2340s and ’50s. Niche as your also need to one word there’s. level 1. sliferra333 For the glory of the united potato alliance! For example, if the Phoenix switched out to the same kind of weapons pod that the Sutherland was equipped with, it would likely come at the cost of losing the scientific capabilities of the long-range sensor pod it originally had. Pre-dating the Galaxies by a few years they were not designed to be do everything super ships, instead they make use of several mission-specific modules mounted at the upper rear. I'd imagine size would be the largest factor for raw hitting power, but newer tech would produce a stronger and more efficient discharge, need less maintenance, not blow up when exposed to Tachyon jelly etc. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DaystromInstitute community. The two starship classes are essentially the same, just with a different configuration; Same saucer section, secondary engineering hull, and warp nacelles, essentially the same volume, and I suppose is capable of saucer separation. Nebulae and galaxies are deep sky celestial objects which can only be seen clearly with the aid of a telescope. Though, you could get the same affect by just having a 'general purpose/mission' module for the Nebula-class, which would in essence give it the same capabilities as a Galaxy, and only switch it out for a sensor/tactical module when it is needed. Logically as a larger ship it would have slightly greater reactor output. 8 Galaxies are classified into spiral, elliptical and irregular. Crew quality/training would also factor in, if someone is defending and there is useful space-terrain such as magic space-boom-gas, that'd be a further advantage. Nebula Class. Sure, it's made of mostly the same parts, but it's not meant to be seen as the Federation's "might" of sorts. Seems to me that the Galaxy is a generalist design that is good at a lot of things, while the Nebula is a more specialized design that focuses on being really good at specific things by switching out the multi-mission pod. Perhaps there is some quirk of warp field dynamics that favors a forward mass saucer or spoon shape with a rearward and underslung mass engineering section and warp coil assembly with that neck in the middle. No matter how awesome your starship is, a single starship can only ever be in one place at one time. Compared to the Galaxy class the Nebula has a more compact shape - the engineering hull is mounted directly to the underside of the saucer section, a measure which saves some 200 metres in length. A subreddit for in-depth discussion about Star Trek. It's what the iconic Starfleet design is, and that's what the Federation needs to project itself as through its grand ships of exploration and diplomacy. But the Nebula is all around a smaller ship. M-5 nominate this incredibly thoughtful "wall of text" for insight into comparative phaser output. So why isn't it the main flag-vessel-class of Starfleet? Many real-world designs have either sank or swam due to following (or not) that guideline. Nebula. While the Nebula Capsule is obviously built to use Android apps, many will want to stream content from their computer or another device. The Galaxy Class Starship Development Project began in the 2350s at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. The more powerful core you have, the more energy you can push out through your phaser banks. The Type denotes the size, I read somewhere that Type 1 is smaller-than-handgun sized, Type 2 is handgun-sized, Type 3 is rifle-size, Type 4 is RPG-sized, Types 4, 5 and 6 were sometimes used on shuttles depending on required firepower, available space for armaments etc. It can support a very large crew or a gigantic number of troops if pressed into a troop transport role. They have a similar look as the both use the same design elements. The Nebula-class was developed along-side the Galaxy-class in the 2340s and 50s. Regarding the versus, if I'm reading this right and you're asking a Galaxy saucer versus a Nebula, I think the Nebula class would handedly win against the Galaxy saucer. The problem with the Galaxy class starships is that they're big and expensive. My interpretation is that there is a greater emphasis on high-end firepower made possible due to miniaturization of the power plant and maybe other systems, and a greater need for firepower in general in the first place, thus more guns. Sky Lite also makes perfect gift for any occasion. This leads me to a silly schoolyard question of who could beat up who? The Nebula-class is well-known for being a testbed of modular components, with the vessel's upper outboard structures varying from vessel to vessel. Nebula class Sister ships to the Galaxy class the Nebulas are very nearly as large in terms of internal volume but based round a much more compact configuration. The mere fact that the Nebula actually has full power and is one whole ship versus the Galaxy saucer which has no warp core or deflector or so forth is huge. Galaxies live longer than nebulae. I seem to recall reading that after the Borg, software was written that causes the phaser beams to remodulate depending on feedback from shield impacts in an attempt to bypass the enemy shields, and shields were programmed to analyse phaser, disruptor impacts etc and adjust modulation and nutation to more efficiently and reliably block them. Memory Alpha states that the Nebula Class had a maximum warp speed of 9.3, while the Galaxy Class had a maximum of 9.8 at launch. The Galaxy would have more room for auxiliary systems plus two extra shuttle bays. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. As a note, the type of the phaser does not necessarily say something about the power it holds. Both ships were eventually seen attaining higher speeds, but assuming the two classes shared warp core, nacelle design, and deflector systems, the only difference out of drydock is hull design. (TNG: \"Booby Trap\", \"Eye of the Beholder\") Numerous technologies implemented on Galaxy-class starships were tested aboard earlier prototype vessels, including the Oberth-class USS Pegasus in the 2350s. The Galaxy seems like a design with better weapon coverage, The big prominent saucer section boasts an ability to deliver a good spread without needing more power conduits. Learn more about Daystrom's Post of the Week here. Yes, yes, I also know the Galaxy is larger, has more volume to absorb fire, and logically should have equal or greater number of shield generators. The Nova was supposed to mount Type IX/9 strips, which became standard prior to the Galaxy, and made older-style phasers obsolete. Its a big deal when one shows up in orbit. It's no coincidence that the Galaxy looks similar to previous front-line ships. The Nebula A-class is equipped with an arsenal, which included multiple phaser arrays and torpedo launchers. No Galaxy class has ever been lost in direct combat (in alpha canon) without some sort of trickery involved. A clever CO who knows technobabble; another advantage. It has a large saucer shaped primary hull atop a smaller secondary hull, with the warp nacelles mounted below the saucer. My reasoning: even if the warp core is identical, the Galaxy class' fusion reactors driving the impulse drives may be rated slightly higher due to higher mass. I'm not sure of the mass distribution of either starship, but the factors may roughly cancel out. Although it was only 1,040 meters long (65% of the length of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer), the Nebula-class was built to be a match for an Imperial II. People more than it’s designed and rank highly for link. Galaxy. With the naked eye or low powered telescopes both types of objects can be seen as fuzzy patches in the night sky. Another feature of Nebula class ships in the 2360’s, was the lack of prominent impulse engines, as well as a more concave secondary hull and larger deflector dish than the Galaxy class. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I don't have neither an answer nor any idea on that, though. 2 years ago. If this assumption is correct they should be more powerful. Ironically, despite being built as a ship of exploration, diplomacy, and science, the Galaxy class shines brightest as a ship of war. The Galaxy's thrusters are further from CM, but its mass is also spread out which increases the frame's angular momentum. Here's a retrospective on the Nebula Class starship from Star Trek The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Generations& First Contact. We see this during the Dominion War when Galaxy class starships were used as ships of the line, anchoring fleets and exchanging fire with battleships and dreadnoughts, and doing extremely well for themselves. I'm pondering the weaponry of the Nebula class starship. The Galaxy Class was a failure for Starfleet, as they paid the price for a heavy cruiser/battleship, but got an oversized explorer instead. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. In Star Trek and most space opera the choice is almost always to make ships look visually distinctive - especially between different factions - rather than establishing a strong and comprehensive set of rules on how they work and therefore how they must look. The Federation is a post scarcity economy, but that doesn't mean everything is free. Its a master of all. (TNG: \"The Wounded\", etc. The HDMI port is a nice inclusion. The first test hull, now dubbed the USS Akira by the development team after the project name, was laid in 2356 and basic compartmentalization was completed two years later, when the Consolidated Fusion Inc. M/ARA core and nacelle structure was installed. Starfleet's engineering corp truly outdid themselves on the Galaxy class. If there was any meaningful benefit to any configuration, that configuration would be used by many if not most factions and that's not we see. Odyssey and Enterprise was lost due to non-functional shields, and possibly an unnamed Galaxy class lost at the Second Battle of Chin'toka, though in that case a surprise use of a Breen energy draining weapon wiped out 311 ships out a combined fleet of 312 ships. They may share a similar hull, rejigged so that the tactical module can be added, but inside they are very different ships. )The Nebula-class was composed of two hull sections; the saucer-shaped primary hull mounted atop the secondary hull, with two warp nacelles mounted on either side of the secondary hull, directly below the primary hull. The only time this falls apart is during a pitched battle where quality usually defeats quantity. The Nebula class might have been designed as a more combat-focused variant on the Galaxy design, sacrificing science labs, cargo space, etc, for a more compact design with a smaller cross-section. Yes, a space-age factory that'd have our nerdy eyes popping out like saucers, but a factory. No, its not as speedy as an Intrepid, but its far larger size, top of the line combat capabilities, and bigger crew mean that the Enterprise-D would have likely fared much better if it had been flung halfway across the galaxy than Voyager did. To the aft is a large pylon supporting a triangular mission pod. Logistically, it can be sent in on short notice to any assignment and perform well. but the Nebula and the Galaxy both have (essentially.) The Galaxy class is a beastly starship. I guess this leads me to the real question- given that the Nova class, Galaxy class, and Nebula class all have the same phasers, yet apparently have different levels of power behind them, can we infer anything useful about comparative phaser power? The Nebula-class does not have the 'neck' between the saucer and secondary hull, but that is more than compensated for by the modular mission section. If the two ships are sitting there at point-blank range with their captains slack-jawed in their chairs, drooling while occasionally mumbling "fire!" Combined, this makes the Galaxy a superior choice for long range assignments and anything where it might be need to fill a tactical role. Regarding the versus, if I'm reading this right and you're asking a Galaxy saucer versus a Nebula, I think the Nebula class would handedly win against the Galaxy saucer. Yamato was lost to an Iconian computer virus. (TNG: \"The Wounded\", etc. They're astoundingly powerful, but they're so expensive as to not be economical. Materials + energy + workers in, product + tired workers out. Meanwhile those cheap ships were blown up in vast numbers. Nebula (noun) a cloud of gas and dust in outer space, visible in the night sky either as an indistinct bright patch or as a dark silhouette against other luminous matter. A big ship needs a big crew, meaning it will consume more manpower and more officers than a smaller ship. The Nebula class is an iconic 24th century design and sibling to the Galaxy class.The Nebula class has many structural components similar to the Galaxy class. If there needs to be an evacuation, separation, or shield concentration the Galaxy provides the better option. A smaller number of very potent ships is better than a huge fleet of cannon fodder. Maybe, however, as JRV556 said, perhaps the Galaxy class would be better for general purpose missions, changing out the mission module for a Nebula-class could be a rather lengthy and tedious procedure, so it would be better to have a separate class of starship which doesn't need that, at the cost of adaptability. The Nebula-class shared a similar design lineage with its larger Galaxy-class counterpart, notably its primary and secondary hulls and nacelles. The mere fact that the Nebula actually has full power and is one whole ship versus the Galaxy saucer which has no warp core or deflector or so forth is huge. As far as I'm aware, we never got to see main engineering on a Nebula class ship, it's engineering section is big enough that housing a core of the same size should not be a problem. To add to this: I suspect that must be some performance reason most of our starring Federation ships use the saucer-primary hull and under-slung engineering hull configuration, possibly related to warp speed efficiency or capability. Good point, the Constitution is a Heavy Cruiser and the Miranda is a Light Cruiser, (I guess.) The Nebula-class proposal used the same basic design as the Galaxy, with two major differences: the stardrive section was approximately 12 decks shorter than the Galaxy’s, and the warp nacelles were situated facing “downward” as opposed to the “upward” placement on the Galaxy. The more time you spend working on a single ship in a shipyard the fewer total ships you have. Comparison with the Nebula class On a different note, the groove between the two corresponding window rows on decks 9 and 10 may be even wider on the Nebula-class miniature than on the 4ft Galaxy-class model that the Nebula was based on (as opposed to the later Nebula CGI that seems to reproduce the thin rim of the 6ft model). However, switching out the pod leaves it less capable in other roles, I assume. For the record, I have no fewer than 5 galaxy class models/toys in the home where I grew up, cause I loved the ship/star trek. The Galaxy is designed to be a flagship. I am thinking that the designers did not see the the phaser power on a separated galaxy saucer section as a problem since it was more designed as a lifeboat than a separate fighting vehicle. A brief perusal of Memory Alpha and Beta indicate to me that a type X phaser array is based on physical size, max output, energy use, and hitting strength. The ship is truly phenomenal in every role. nebulae, nebulæ or nebulas ) is an interstellar cloud of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases. Jan 22, 2018 #2 Its got most of the capability of a Galaxy class but at a fraction of the price. Its just a better deal. I'd guess the Galaxy-class would be at an advantage. Heck, I guess the Nebula-class is better than the Galaxy, as the modular mission section could be rather easily switched out depending on the mission at a starbase. Second, there are only two parts to the Galaxy while the Nebula is in three. ), but that's not what Starfleet wants to project. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. The impulse engines on the back of the saucer output very low impulse emissions and ion trails. However, with enough time to switch to a dedicated mission-specific modular pod (assuming one is available at the starbase the mission is launching from), a Nebula-class ship would do an even better job. I admit this is all head canon, but here it is: The Galaxy Class is a long range massive explorer/capital ship. I would suggest two reasons defense and attack. She was put under the tutelage of Thanos' henchman Ronan the Accuser to become a \"Galaxy-Class Killer\", and would connect with other Thanos minions like Gamora, a Zephoberei whose race was slaughtered by Thanos too, and Korath.Despite her loyalty to Thanos, Gamora was consi… She was also the largest class in Starfleet history, until the launch of the Galaxy Class, and was also the most crew intensive in service. Life of several stars is connected to life of a galaxy while life of only one star is associated with a nebula. Phaser positions included the forward-most part of the primary hull, and on the s… That changed with the prometheus where all three sections were capable of warp drive. Galaxy class ships, able to hold thousands in a crisis, and with a fully staffed science department would be more focused on exploration and humanitarian work, while still being able to hold their own in a firefight when required. The Galaxy class is a beastly starship. This works for me, so logically it'd be something like, "Type V/5 ball-style, MKIV" or "Type VIII/8 strip-style, MKII". We saw this with the Defiant, where the tiny ship has a massively oversized warp core with 4 separate reaction chambers on a comparatively tiny ship, and it was taken to the next level in the Sovereign class where the core had SEVEN chambers. Yet the Galaxy class endures. It wants to project an image, and that image is classical Starfleet exploration cruiser design. The typical offensive arsenal of the Nebula-classincluded a torpedo launcher located on the secondary hull above the deflector dish, and on some variants, a torpedo launcher located on the superstructure located above the primary hull. 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